Did Trump tell Tucker Carlson he didn’t care about starting the Iran war because “in the end, we all die anyway”

Majority view

NPR published Tucker Carlson's account that, during a private Oval Office conversation before the Iran war, Trump responded to Carlson's warning by saying, "But in the end we all die anyway, so it doesn't matter." The available evidence establishes that Carlson made this allegation, but it does not independently verify the private conversation or Trump's words through a recording, transcript, or direct confirmation from Trump.

Credible dissent

The central allegation is based on Carlson's firsthand account of a private conversation and has not been independently corroborated. Earlier reporting also described Trump telling Carlson that the United States was not going to war with Iran, creating contextual tension, though it does not directly disprove the later alleged conversation.